*What a waste of perfectly good White Boy

[Nicole]

I'm talking about Slim Shady, a.k.a Eminem.

When Eminem originally came out, I ignored him and his music. I thought he was a geek. I never imagined he'd become so popular.

Through some sort of maze of events, he suddenly became popular and "cool" to listen to. Teenagers - always with the fads and styles - rushed in hordes to buy his CD's. And after the politicians, parents, and activist groups hated him - that made him all the more cool to listen to, due to the rebellious nature of it.

At last he was so big - no one could help but know about him. I'd never bought his CD's or listened to his songs - and suddenly I knew the lyrics to most of his songs, just through publicity and other people. I knew all about his life and past, thanks to the media. Suddenly I was immersed in him, and knew more than I ever cared to know.

I don't hate Eminem, and I don't wish anything horrible to happen to him. I just think he is a sad, bitter, little man. And I pity him. Sure he's got millions of dollars - but that won't ease his pain. He has a lovely daughter - but she'll grow up to see what sort of things he's said, and what kind of a man he was, and how he treated her mother. And yes, he has fans - but fans are fickle, and when he goes out of fashion - he'll be left in the cold. All he'll have left is himself. And he's a rotten person who is full of anger and hatred and prejudice. Sounds like a nice thing to be left with, huh? He'll be stuck with himself for the rest of his life, and that's the worst thing of all.
He's always going to have fans. But his fans are obviously very ignorant people. They either buy into his lies/hatered/bullshit , they buy into propoganda, or the music industry's latest fads. Either way, they strike me as being very foolish people who are swallowing a whole lot of garbage. That's their problem.

I don't think Eminem stands for free speech, or twisting of words. I think he stands for hatred and intolerance, and I think the "freedom of speech" thing is an excuse, and getting old. If people want to support a person who spreads intolerance and venom - let them go ahead. I'd rather do something to make a POSITIVE difference in this world.

[GuTTer_RaT]

i voted for option 3. not because i dont care, its because i dont see the fuss over his music and lyrics. the reason he is so popular is because this time its an angry white dude rapping and venting about how fucked his life is. his lyrical compositions (although twisted) are preaching about real life shit that a lot of peeps can relate to. hes not like kid rock spouting off about how he gets fucked up and bangs porn queens. hes talking about how his life went and shit that has happened to him! i respect his music and like him because hes not fake and he tells that shit how it is. i saw something on vh1 about him and he said his main message he is sending out is......FUCK YOU! thats what im talkin about. a dude saying this is how it is and this is went down for me. hes not spouting off about shit he doesnt know about. he doesnt like homosexuals or what have you yet he went up and played with elton john a few years back. everyone is on his shit and its not like he is going out and spouting lyrics like rape your mother and kill your neighbor. hes just telling it like it is and for peeps not to understand that is to be thinking they are on a higher plain and they just cant relate. his following is because he is a young, pissed off white male in an industry that the only outlet for such peeps for years has been metal. he is crossing over into an area that is predominantly black and he is making waves because there are a lot of pissed off young white folks out there. i have to admit that i find some of his lyrics offensive but i respect his music because hes just telling his life story through lyrics. its just music, you can turn it off if you dont like it, but dont protest the right of an artist to make whatever floats their boat!

[Nicole]

Okay but wtf does He have to use other artists names to get himself noticed? 2pac,Biggie,Elvis, and others He has used in practically Every Song. Just Look at the music awards as an example. He had to diss Moby. The Crowd booed the hell outta him for that.

He is a sellout. Dont tell me he didn't cause he did. He is always on MTV, TRL, And Other music shows. It Proves he is all about money.

He is just a fad right now .... that's it. Don't give me that bs about him being white ... The only Reason he sells anything is cause he is white. If A Black guy was doing what slim was doing he wouldnt sell squat. I see what Dr. Dre had in mind. He took a White Boy, which is against stereostypes since rap is a black industry, gave Feminem A hardcore Image, Dre wrote instrumentals and Lyrics for eminem and BAM!!!!!! Dre paid himself a couple million. Dre is the man behind the curtains.

:p

[Shogun]

Well Im sure after that post Ratty Nicole is thinking you just proved her point about his fans BUT its people like Nicole who dont like him and spend so much time expressing their distaste over him who also fuel the hype behind this man. If his music truely didnt grab your attention in any way then you wouldnt have even posted. Thats why you aren't posting any rants about country music. I say even if he is fake he is sucessful at what he does b/c he got a huge reaction from people both positive and negative. Bad or good a reaction still means he got your attention.

[Nicole]

Well you have a point Sho, BUT! I'm bored as hell at work right now trying to burn some time. I have never posted here before and saw something about M&M's new movie that's coming out, and just wanted to post my feelings about him ... I could care less either way

[Beo]

I'm at work right now and can't respond to this in the intelligent manner I think it deserves, but I too have a distaste for particularly him, or any other "artist" that includes lyrics that promote hate and intolerance or that push the envelope of hate by being openly offensive. For all of you that say these things have no impact, I beg to differ. How can you say that lyrics like:

"You faggots keep egging me on"
’Til I have you at knifepoint, then you beg me to stop"
"My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge"
"That’ll stab you in the head whether you’re a fag or less"
"Or the homosex, hermaph or a trans-a-ves"
"Pants or dress"
"Hate fags? The answer’s yes"
"Hey, it’s me, Versace"
"Whoops, somebody shot me"
"And I was out checking the mail"
"Get it, checking the male?"

Those don't promote hatred? Surely Eminem insists on the "concept" that he's making money by stirring the pot of what borderline's anyone's rights to free speech. I think this is bullshit.

During the UNEDITED version of the MTV music awards, he shouted out to Moby that he wasn't afraid to hit a man wearing glasses - basically publicly threatening this guy in front of the nation to see.

In any case like I said I'm at work and can't go into this as much as I would like to.

[Pallidrone]

Personally, I dont give two shits about Eminem. I do feel however that he is doing what a lot of musicians dream about, making money! Who cares if he is a sell out or a corporate machine or whatever. I respect him for being able to make it in a music world where it is hard to keep a large auidences attention. Now he is coming out with a movie that will probably make a lot of money. The thing that Eminem did that everyone seemed to miss is that he created music to rebel with. Elvis did it, the Beatles did it, and now Eminem did it. The formula for success is to create music for young people that adults hate and they will eat it up in a heart beat.

Music for me is entertainment, nothing more nothing less. I could care less about what someone is saying because it affects my life in absolutely NO WAY. I dont listen to music for the deep seeded meaning nor do I care about the "artistic quailty" of it. I listen to it for one reason, to entertain me, and if it does a good job at that, and keeps my attention long enough, then I am a happy man.

[GuTTer_RaT]

who cares if he wants to flame other peeps in his lyrics? he doesnt like moby! so fuckin what? so by your terminology, everyone who goes on trl is a sellout? him trying to profit from his lyrics about his life makes him a sellout? so all artists should make records for free? is that what you are saying? i know thats not what you are saying but thats what you are coming off as. that just because he does things to promote his sales then he is seen as a sellout....

as for you saying that the only reason he is selling his records is because he is white, thats bullshit. tupac talking about killing peeps, drugs....groups like 2 live crew getting shit banned on the radio because of explicit lyrics....snoop dogg allegedly killing a mother fucker and then getting skyrocketing sales.....please tell me which one of those peeps/groups were white because im either color blind or im not following your flow.

dre saw the same thing as the makers of vanilla ice did. he saw an opportunity to exploit the need for a major labeled white rapper to reach the demographic of the angry white youth. there is nothing more than that to it.

like him or hate him he generates attention and i dont understand why anyone has an issue with him. if you are homosexual and dont like his lyrics, dont listen. if you are a moby backer, then fuck, boo all you want. moby is a pole smoking, tree hugging shitbrick anyhow so good for eminem for telling it like it is. eminem is a choice, those who dont care for him are upset with the attention he gets that is not being given to other area/artists and they get their panties in a bunch because they dont agree with the way he does shit. dont piss on his cheerios just because you dont agree with his lyrics. support the musicians you like more and try to push their sales past his and make their following that big. thats the way to strike back, not just to lambaste someone because they dont have the same ethical values as you!

[KegRun]

Feminem makes me laugh. First of all..I'm a huge ICP fan. If u are an ICP fan..u can't be a Feminem fan. VIce Versa. Those are the rules. My girl bought his new cd though and I listened to it. Well...the guy DOES have talent. I for one could not spout off shit that he does. I can barely talk straight when I get hyper let alone rap. He's good. He's a fad. His lyrics ARE funny to me. I mean..if what he said is true about his mom poisoning him and making him sick as a child..and also all the mental abuse he said she said...then..I WOULD BE PISSED TOO. I would hate her and vent my frustration into my music ( LIKE MOST ARTIST ). The movie '8 mile' will be interesting...but who really knows how it went down. THis is HIS movie...why would he make himself look bad??!!?? Who knows how he treated his girl and who knows how she treated him. The guy has a lot of past...which means a lot of rap. So he'll be around for a while. I'm just glad I listen to all music. That way when I get tired of one thing...i can always switch the station and be happy.s

[=DBA=Bigus]

I rarely vent round here cause this is all bout gamin....but!! Anybody on MTV is a effing sellout (not that there is anything wrong with that!! Making money is what America is all about!!) Anybody who would stand up with that freakin moron Carson
D. has sold their soul for the $$$ bling bling!! MNM is just another pop star working his bit in the spotlight for all its worth. He'll fade into obscurity just like all the rest cause he really is doing nothing new. Being controversial is a great way to sell records and disguise the fact that you are really a corporate tool with no real ingenious talent. Controversy = Money!!!! Not only for MNM and his handlers/posse/wannabes but also for MTWah and their advirtisers. I wish I had thought of it!!! Damn!! I just wish Carson would call........

[=DBA=Bigus]

PS. LISTEN TO BLACK SABBATH!!!


I'm glad my 600th post said that!!

[Beo]

LOL, um can I just clarify that I don't like Moby? I was just referring to Eminem's public threat to him on national television and how it was overlooked. In high school I got into a fight with some chick and told her that I was going to kick her ass, and they tried to call the cops on me for "terroistic threatening". Eminem on the other hand is awarded for such behavior. In the real sense I don't really give a damned about the kid, just another wigger making a buck or two.

Yes you can turn your cheek, and just not buy or listen to his album, but his white ass has been saturated into this culture to such the extent that it's nearly impossible to make him go away. I'm not worried about the rational adults who know better to not take his lyrics with more than a grain of salt. It's the younger impressionable generation of ears that should not be taught that hate should be rewarded. The Columbine incident should be a sore reminder of what our youth has progressed to today. I'm not blaming Eminem for that, but hate is taught and learned through more mediums than just the parents alone.

[Pallidrone]

Originally posted by =DBA=Beotch
Yes you can turn your cheek, and just not buy or listen to his album, but his white ass has been saturated into this culture to such the extent that it's nearly impossible to make him go away. I'm not worried about the rational adults who know better to not take his lyrics with more than a grain of salt. It's the younger impressionable generation of ears that should not be taught that hate should be rewarded. The Columbine incident should be a sore reminder of what our youth has progressed to today. I'm not blaming Eminem for that, but hate is taught and learned through more mediums than just the parents alone.

Parents should get the brunt of the blame for hatred not the media. If kids are listening to music for their inspiration and for their views on life, and that message is one of hate then obviously the parents are not involved in their lives enough.

Parents need to be MORE involved in their childrens lives and need to express what is right and wrong instead of letting the media decide it for them. I dont want my entertainment messed with because of a bunch of irresponsible parents.

Charles Barkley said it best - "I am NOT a role model"

[Nicole]

Originally posted by GuTTer_RaT
so by your terminology, everyone who goes on trl is a sellout?

I consider anyone who says "fuck MTV" one minute then the next is hanging out with Carson Daily then next .. A big-time sell out.

Not everyone who goes on TRL is a sell out, it's all for the cause I know, lord knows there are promoters out there. But when you take into account how many times he's been on it, something doesn’t quite add up.

I totally respect Dr. Dre ..I'm sure he thinks Slim Shady is a sham, Eminem knows it too .... They’re laughing all the way to the bank.
My opinion is that his message to the young impressionable minds of young Americans today is the wrong one. Okay maybe he isn’t lying about his child hood … but is saying “FUCK YOU” to the world going to stop this kinda thing from happening again? I don’t think so.

I think allot of hiphop sends the wrong kinda messages. Yes it’s a free country, free speech .. but does that also mean we have to demoralize everything that stands in the way of personal gain?

We need another John Lennon, who sent a message of peace and love. Oh and yeah .. his mom threw him away when he was a baby, and he never knew his dad until he came around saying he was the Father of a Beatle. So don’t tell me eminem’s sob story, because I’m just not biting.

[Beo]

Originally posted by |IB|Pallidrone


Parents should get the brunt of the blame for hatred not the media. If kids are listening to music for their inspiration and for their views on life, and that message is one of hate then obviously the parents are not involved in their lives enough.

Parents need to be MORE involved in their childrens lives and need to express what is right and wrong instead of letting the media decide it for them. I dont want my entertainment messed with because of a bunch of irresponsible parents.

Charles Barkley said it best - "I am NOT a role model"

Oh I agree parents should be held accountable, but for instance let's take a closer look at my scenario:

My parents divorced when I was 7, and 2 years later I never saw or heard from my dad again. My mom (who's from another country, english is her 2nd language) was forced to work night shifts 5pm-4 am to support my brother and I. That left us to grow up for the most part as tv dependent kids. Sad and not as "ideal" as it was, it was a reality and is one I'm sure for A LOT of kids out there. I just say it's easier said than done to hold the parents 100% accountable of a child's actions. I do believe it is up to the parents to instill the values of not hating people, etc. etc. but I also think that society as a whole has an obligation to uphold standards and encourage positive notions and actions to children who aren't as lucky to have the guidance or their parents actively participating in their lives.